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featuring photographs by Terrah Hewett<\/a><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Harry Bryant began farming with his father in Supply, North Carolina, before becoming a licensed plumber and then launching a 32-year career as a shrimper. After using scrap metal to build his own 56-foot boat, he would escape waterspouts and a lightning strike, witness the effects of climate change firsthand, and successfully earn a living on the open waters pulling two 60-foot nets. <\/em>Here, we include excerpts of Melody Hunter-Pillion\u2019s interview with him on his 84th birthday. They opened their talk by discussing the Bryant family\u2019s roots.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Harry Bryant:<\/strong> My ancestors arrived in Brunswick County in 1863 with the man \u2014 with the slave owner. And whenever that slavery broke, he had not changed their name, so they remained to be Bryants right on, and they refused. He tried to get them to change their names to Lancaster, because that was a homage to those slaveholders. They refused to change their name, and so we remained to be Bryants right on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Melody Hunter-Pillion: <\/strong>When emancipation happened and the family became free, do you know what kind of work your family started doing? Was it farming right off?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Harry Bryant:<\/strong> Yes, because they farmed for the Lancaster man. And then, my dad stayed in the farming business the rest of his life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How long did you farm with your father, and what made you change?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, the farming business outgrowed me. You had to have so much more equipment, and we had about 35 acres of not too productive land. And so, we just couldn\u2019t make a living.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

See, long as we had tobacco, we could, we could make a living. We go out, and we had an allotment ourself of about three or four acres.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And so, then after a while you had to have a lot equipment, and then finally tobacco just went out of existence, you know, except in Brunswick County. Now, I think there are two tobacco farmers, and they plant 100 acres.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Was your family always in this part of Brunswick County?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yes. This was some of the slave owner\u2019s land right here where we\u2019re sitting on now. Unless I has to go to a nursing home, I would never sell none of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Where would I go without some land? I don\u2019t know where to go. You know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When your grandfather and dad were adults, having land was, even now, is meaningful, but it was difficult sometimes for African Americans to acquire land.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, back in that day, it was very important for them, because that was like you having money in the bank. You know, if you didn\u2019t have no land, you didn\u2019t, you didn\u2019t have no money. But if you had land, you had value.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Harry Bryant (inset) says he first became a shrimper because he \u201calways wanted a steady job. Something I could depend on.\u201d<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

WATER AND GOLF<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Is it harder to keep land now?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yes. A lot of people sell it because they can\u2019t pay the taxes. You see, we\u2019re getting so many goods and services in the county that the tax value, the tax has to go up. A lot of people just cannot pay the taxes, and they had to sell this land.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

See. . . we get drinking water from Cape Fear River, and people who voted for County water they say, \u201cWell, this is going to be great. We go get clean water.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What did they do? Run it all the way down to Calabash, to the ends of the county. And the people on the North side of the road is barely beginning to get a spare from water now. Barely. Just a very few people. They voted for water, but they don\u2019t get no water. It\u2019s Holden Beach got plenty of water. I mean, I got water because they were trying to get it to Holden Beach. They didn\u2019t run it by here for me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So tourism and development have changed things.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Everything. Everything. The inshore fishermens and the offshore fishermens would have been better off to have never sold a foot of land to tourists. Because that\u2019s the end of fishing. Because now the earth cannot absorb all the waste and pollution. It\u2019s killing the shrimp and the oyster beds, all that. It\u2019s not as plentiful as it was.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We just got just a few acres in the Lockwood Folly estuaries we can get oysters anymore, or clams. Just a few acres. We could fish the whole bay [Lockwood Folly] for clams and oysters. Now they\u2019ve got a golf course down there. And of course, whenever you fertilize the golf course with all the nitrogen to keep to keep the grass green, that\u2019s bad for the estuary.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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BUILDING A BOAT AND BECOMING A SHRIMPER<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Tell me about your boat.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I always wanted a steady job. Something I could depend on. And that\u2019s when I started the boat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

While I was unemployed, I\u2019d go by the scrap yard and buy scrap iron and bring it home, because I know that\u2019s going to be on the boat. I built all that stuff out of scrap. If you look halfway up the mast you see two different sizes of pipe… They had about 20 foot of one piece and 20 foot of another piece. So, I married them together and made it as tall as it\u2019s supposed to be.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And that was during 1971. Every week, whenever I go to sign up for unemployment, I\u2019d stop by and get scrap shackles and iron. Angle iron. And all kinds of stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And we worked night and day from then for six months building that boat. The Morning Light. That\u2019s what we named it in. The Morning Light.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You worked all day, nine hours a day. You were ready to go to bed whenever you got home, but I couldn\u2019t go. Because when I got home, my wife had supper cooked. And I\u2019d come in, I\u2019d leave, I\u2019d eat and go out there, start welding.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We had to borrow some money. And I\u2019ll use the word luck \u2014 I don\u2019t use that word too many times \u2014 that I had a good bank that stood up for me with the board, that I could get the money I needed to build this boat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I had all the confidence that I could make it work. At that time there was a lot of shrimp around. There was three or four, about four different people down there building boats, selling them as fast as they could build them. They sold before they could even get it built. If I failed on the ocean, I could always sell it. Yeah, so, I wasn\u2019t really worried about it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We\u2019d add a 8V 71 Detroit engine into it on the four and a half year.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When you started, were you shrimping? Is that what you did first?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

No, I did the menhaden first. I could stand the ocean. So, that didn\u2019t worry me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

See, some people can\u2019t deal good with the water. My brother, he could not stay on the water. He just couldn\u2019t keep his food down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I wasn\u2019t worried about that. But then after I got started, it was a challenge. But I liked it, because I could take care of my family. That was my main goal. I was my own boss.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

They sell these sport boats for 5 or $600,000 just to go out and have fun fishing. Now, believe it or not, it\u2019s as tough as life is on the water. It\u2019s a hard life. When I dumped shrimp on the deck, I was just as happy as them guys pulling, that\u2019s pulling big fish, you know? I got just as much pleasure out of dumping them shrimp on there when I had a good trip. And come back home and know everything\u2019s okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And so, it took me four or five years to learn. I shrimped from Pamlico Sound to Saint Augustine, Florida, the first four years. And I was back where I started. So, then I started to go to Key West in the wintertime. And I\u2019d stay in Key West. I\u2019d shrimp three weeks and take one week home. And we\u2019d leave the boat down there, you know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We started off with a CB radio. That\u2019s about it. In 1972 that was all there was. They did have big marine radios, but we didn\u2019t need that. We started off with a CB radio in him that come with a VHF.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You got this little 12-foot \u201ctry net.\u201d You pull that and determine what you\u2019re catching and when you should take it up and when you shouldn\u2019t take it up. When I first started, if I was dragging down, and I pulled my try net and had a good try of shrimp, I\u2019d look on my depth record and I\u2019d say, \u201cI\u2019m in 32 foot of water, so I\u2019m going to turn around and go back.\u201d Same trek. Well, whenever we got radar, we found out then it might be 32 foot over here, too. So we might be way off where we\u2019re saying.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

They tell me now you can hook this chart plotter up to your GPS. It\u2019ll automatically take you down in the same trail where I used to have to steer it back down that same track. Now we had an autopilot. Even if I was dragging the boat, I could put it on autopilot… Sometimes the current would drag you out a little bit. But now they got it where it\u2019s automatic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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In 1972, \u201cWe worked night and day,\u201d Harry Bryant says, \u201cfor six months building that boat.\u201d Fifty years after its construction (inset), the Morning Light is still heading out onto open waters.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

A SHRIMPER\u2019S LIFE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Was it easy selling your catch?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

No problem. See, back then there was plenty of shrimp. They were small shrimp, but there was plenty of shrimp. I was in Georgia one time \u2014 this comes to mind right now \u2014 yes, off the coast of Georgia, and I didn\u2019t know where to go to sell my shrimp. And I was talking on the CB radio, said, \u201cI got to go find somewhere to go in to sell my shrimp.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And before I could finish, then somebody called me back, said, \u201cTakes 66 to channel into Georgia. We\u2019d be happy to sell it, take the shrimp, unload the shrimp.\u201d So, there was never no problem with selling the shrimp. Nowhere you went. And we got same thing to Pamlico Sound. No problem at all. Never.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, you made a good living. You were able to take care of your family.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I was able to take care of my family. My main goal was in life is to take care of my family, have a decent place to live. Or listen, let\u2019s use the word \u201ccomfortable\u201d place. I don\u2019t know whether I got a decent place, but I hope it\u2019s comfortable. I didn\u2019t need a Cadillac, you know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ed. Note: Harry Bryant\u2019s son Conrad, who was present for the interview, added: \u201cHe would just get up on Sunday mornings at 3 o\u2019clock, and he had to get the boat out there to make a drag before daylight. And then we stayed out there and worked all the way up until 11 o\u2019clock that night, and then you would go to sleep and get up at 3 o\u2019clock again the next morning and go start back over. <\/em>He had four bins, and each bin was 900 pounds. So that was 3,600 pounds [of shrimp]. And when it was completely loaded, you couldn\u2019t hardly read the name on the boat. So, it would be weighted.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Harry Bryant: In Pamlico Sound, we put 38 boxes in 3.5 bins. And we carried 10,000 pounds of ice. And we carried 1,600 gallon of fuel, 500 gallon of water on a trip with us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

At that time, we was getting a pretty good price out of them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

CLIMATE CHANGE AND BAD WEATHER ESCAPES<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I want to ask you about changes in the weather and the climate.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I gave Conrad a piece of property down at Havana on Lockwood\u2019s Folly River, and he can tell you right now the tide stays higher all the time than it did whenever I built this boat. It\u2019s higher all the time. Whenever we have storms, we have storms higher. The water table rises higher. We gets more rain in the storms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hurricane Floyd came by. It went up past. It went up Carolina Beach, turned around, and then come back and went across the land. And what we would do if a storm was coming, we would take the boats up [NC highway] 211 to Supply and tie them up two-abreast, and tie them off to trees, and we would come home and stay with our families until the storm went over. The trees would knock the wind off of us if we was down low enough.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, the next day, after the storm was over, we\u2019d come back down the river, but the river is real crooked. We had to stay up there about four or five days, because we couldn\u2019t find the channel to come back down the river, you know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The water went high enough it went on 211. We went out on 211 with the 40-horse fiberglass boat. It was 18 foot. Whenever the Hurricane Floyd came, it went over the top of the rail of the bridge to 211.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the creeks down there now, like where we go get oysters at, it don\u2019t fall as low. Where I had the boat tied up at Beacon One fish house, he said if it keeps rising, he probably will eventually need to raise his fish house up, because you can just see visible with your eyes that the average tide is higher than what it used to be. So it\u2019s different and it\u2019s more severe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Normal rain in this area is 54 inches. The record that we knew of, up until this year, was 84. That was just one year. The record. This year it was over 100 inches of rain. So definitely \u2014 you know, I don\u2019t argue with people about what caused it. I don\u2019t know because I\u2019m not the scientist. But I can definitely tell you something is happening.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Let me ask you, if you can remember from your father and your grandfather, were there things that they taught you about weather?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, my dad didn\u2019t recognize much extreme weather. They had moderate rains about the same time, the same thing every year. Whenever they planted their crops, their beans, I hear him say, \u201cWell, I sure would love to see rain come.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But we didn\u2019t have much extreme weather at that time, and he passed on in this area here. I don\u2019t recall very much at all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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In its heyday, the Morning Light carried 3,600 pounds of shrimp, 10,000 pounds of ice, 1,600 gallons of fuel, and 500 gallons of water. After Harry Bryant retired from shrimping, the boat\u2019s new owner often parked it at Varnamtown.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Hurricane Hazel \u2014 nobody had seen anything like it, before or after for a long time.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I didn\u2019t even. That was 1954.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That Friday morning we went to work. And I was working on the railroad at that time, and we all went down. The whole party went. And I got down there. I think I had a radio in the car, but I had it on the music station from Tennessee or somewhere. And we got out there, and one guy said, \u201cThis is going to take Southport off the map.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The boss said, \u201cEverybody wait.\u201d You know, he was going to get the checks and bring them back to us. And he brought the checks back and passed them out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We headed back the way we came. We got down to the Desmond Creek and the wind had not started blowing, but water was coming across the road. I thought it was just boiling out the earth it was coming so fast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We saw a car going up the hill over the other side. We should be good to cross that creek. It was about a quarter of a mile long. So my brother \u2014 we was riding with my brother \u2014 he says to them, \u201cWe\u2019d better not try that. We\u2019d get washed away.\u201d So, we turn around and come back, had to go out by Winnabow and then come down to get here and my mom\u2019s house down there. You cross, trees start falling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And then it tore everything up on the beach. Nobody had seen that. Everybody talks about they\u2019d seen storms before, but some of them got their ribs broke.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The people on Ocean Isle \u2014 a whole family got lost there. One man went across Long Beach on a foam mattress. He flew cross on a foam mattress. And from then on, we had storms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But see, that was 18, 19 years of my life I\u2019d never seen a storm. I\u2019d never seen storm in 19 years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, how do you cope with this change?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, it\u2019s hard to say. I always says that I would never leave my home here, but I did leave it in this last storm. I went to Durham. Wished that I had never went.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And I\u2019ve been in some pretty rough weather. I\u2019ve been in waterspouts in the ocean. Hit by lightning while I was out there on the boat. That isn\u2019t much fun. Lightning hit us in off of Georgetown in a waterspout. And then I was in another waterspout in Charleston one time. When it come by, we were catching shrimp.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You do a lot of crazy things when you\u2019re catching shrimp. Because it gets in your head, you know. And we didn\u2019t want to quit. But anyway, whenever we seen it coming, we knew we didn\u2019t have enough time to go to another safe harbor or nothing at that time. So whenever we picked up the nets, we picked them up and said, \u201cWe\u2019ve got to pick up the nets and move offshore.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, we picked up the nets. And we had no idea that there was a waterspout coming. We knew that bad weather was implied once we picked them up, and the wind got to blowing hard enough that it was carrying us backwards. So I told the guys, I said, \u201cWe\u2019ve got to pick them up a little higher, so it won\u2019t blow our boat over the nets and get net in the wheel under the boat.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We went back and picked up, got one more whip on them, and tied them off. By the time we got back to the wheelhouse, our boots \u2014 white boots about this high \u2014 water was running out of my boots. That\u2019s how fast the water was. It just poured down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When I pulled the door shut, at that moment, the lightning hit the CB antenna. And just fire was all over the room. And knocked out all my electronics on the boat. I had more than CB on there, but you could just see fire fly all around us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You couldn\u2019t see nothing on the radar. And it was just so much water it was just dark. The fathometer wouldn\u2019t work, because there was so much rain hitting the water that it was too much noise that it wouldn\u2019t receive it back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We was in Key West one time, and we got in some bad weather there. They give out a good forecast. Like Southeast winds are getting rougher and rougher and rougher, and afterwhile the seas were building and building. And we dropped down the anchor when we worked down that night. And afterwhile we couldn\u2019t sleep. And we pulled up the anchor and started in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

On the end of these outriggers, we got something called stabilizers. When the boat rolls over, they dive and they flatten out and slow the boat down going the other way. Well, after a while the ocean took one of them. Then the swells was coming fast enough it felt like it was going to turn over.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But anyway we put ahead in sea and decided we just had to rough it out. After a while we couldn\u2019t keep the cabinet door shut on the boat. We brought cooking along in a gallon jug. It flew out the cabinet and fell all over the floor. My helper \u2014 he was back there, and he didn\u2019t go to church very much. After a while I heard him back there praying: \u201cOh, Lord! If you let me get back home to Shallotte, I\u2019ll go to church.\u201d But it was rough. I mean, you could barely hang onto the wheel up there. Just it was rolling so vicious, you know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Harry Bryant\u2019s son Conrad (here, with Harry, right) says Harry \u201cwould just get up on Sunday mornings at 3 o\u2019clock, and he had to get the boat out there to make a drag before daylight.\u201d<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

THE CATCH \u2014 AND THE FUTURE OF SHRIMPING<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Before you retired, did you see a decrease in how many shrimp were available?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The last two years. I believe 2002 we had a good year. Not everybody did, but we did. Just by luck, being in the right place at the right time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

2003 and 2004 things just got bad. The price went bad on shrimp. They got a lot of shipping in shrimp from China and South America. And the catch got lesser. So that made it very hard. Even in 2004, I had to sell my boat, because I had to come home and take care of my wife.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And a lot of boats at that time just went to pieces. People just couldn\u2019t keep them up because of the price. See, the shipping in shrimp here from China \u2014 they could ship them in much cheaper than we could catch them, because the price of fuel went up, see. And the price of equipment just went up tremendously. Tremendous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And then for the next 5 or 6 years, people\u2019s boats just \u2014 they just couldn\u2019t keep them up. They just let them go to pieces. And I said at that time, anybody who would be able to maintain during them hard times would be able to make a good living, because a lot of people would be out of business, you know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And so far, that\u2019s been right for the last five years. I almost wanted to cry because I wasn\u2019t able to go shrimping. My whole 32 years of shrimping, the year Hurricane Floyd come by we caught 21-count shrimp [jumbo shrimp, 21 of which on average make a pound] off of North Carolina. Now, don\u2019t get me wrong, we caught some 21-count shrimp in Pamlico Sound every year. But not off the coast, except that one year.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And guess what, in the last five years, they is catching 21-count shrimp by the boatloads off of North Carolina. That makes you want to go shrimping.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We\u2019ve been talking about climate change. Evidently, the ocean temperature has changed, and they\u2019re raising these shrimp in Chesapeake Bay. Which is a huge bay. And when the cold weather come they come out and come down to North Carolina coast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We caught 21 counts of shrimp off of Florida back when I was shrimping. But now they\u2019re coming out of Chesapeake, which \u2014 you cannot drag a net in Chesapeake Bay. So, they get fully grown before they even come out. So, now, if you\u2019re working off the North Carolina coast, they\u2019re working here now in the wintertime.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Your son Conrad doesn\u2019t go out there catching. Do you kind of wish he was out there doing it?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, everybody can\u2019t shrimp. It\u2019s something you either love it or you hate it. You have to learn how to live with it. When you go out here shrimping, you got to put all your might in the shrimping. You have to have confidence in your boat, you have to have confidence you can shrimp.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

My wife could take care of what she needed to take care of while I\u2019m out there. I didn\u2019t have to worry about home. I didn\u2019t have to worry about her grocery bill, or what she spent, or whatever. I had it fixed. She could spend the house money. She could write a check out of my boat money, but she understood that\u2019s boat money. I could calculate in my head, if I need to buy a PTO [power take-off] to go on the boat, how many thousands of dollars it cost. It was there. So I didn\u2019t have to worry about that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Now, like I told you, when I was in Key West, when I come home, then I spent that week with my family. I focused on them. I didn\u2019t worry about the boat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

With Harry Bryant\u2019s consent we excerpted and edited his interview. A recording of Melody Hunter-Pillion\u2019s full talk with him is available here<\/a><\/span>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

This interview is part of \u201cMasters of Our Own Domain: North Carolina\u2019s African American Farmers and Fishermen,\u201d courtesy of the Southern Oral History Program<\/a> <\/span>at the UNC Center for the Study of the <\/a><\/span><\/em>American South<\/a><\/span>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Special thanks to the Bryant family for the vintage photos of the Morning Light.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The contemporary photographs of the Morning Light are courtesy of Terrah Hewett, who generously has allowed us to publish them with this interview. Visit The Terrah Hewett Art Shop<\/a><\/span>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Melody Hunter-Pillion is a Global Change Fellow with the Southeast Climate Adaptation Science Center, a broadcast correspondent for ncIMPACT and PBS North Carolina, and a Ph.D. student in public history at NC State University.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n